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IZEA and Text Link Ads Bad For Blogging

This will be probably the most controversial post I have wrote but it might be also the most important. While John Chow plugs both of this companies he is getting paid for promoting them he also benefits because he charges and outrages price for a text link with PR now the other fucking hypocrite Darren Rowse is also cashing in and telling his readers how bad Google is and how good Izea and Text links are great.
 
Let’s start with history. The oldest of the successful online advertising models is Commission Junction which was founded in 1998 and is based in Santa Barbara, California. Now CJ has being in the top of the advertiser selection for quite sometime currently 50% of the top 500 web retailers affiliate marketing programs are in CJ some of these are eBay, Buy.com, Home Depot, Circuit City, Experian and Yahoo!.
 
Now CJ basically brought the same advertising model that was use in the real world with the hook that we actually share revenue so instead of CPM the advertiser has a better return in his investment with guaranteed results. Now I will like to be clear I have serious issues with CJ’s reporting and tracking system pre-sandbox Bu.bulicio.us was generating over 7k a month from affiliate sales with CJ but deep inside I believe I was not getting paid for all my actual sales. But CJ as an advertising model is awesome we have a chance to put serious known advertising on our blogs and get paid good revenue for it. The important thing is this model is totally tied to traffic the more traffic you have the more income you will have.
 
In 1998 another really small company started named Oingo, a small search engine company based in Santa Monica, California. Oingo changed its name to Applied Semantics in 2001, which was then bought by Google for $102 million in April 2003. So if you look at the year spread you understand that from 1998 to 2003 the big player was CJ. Now Adsense is born in 2003 and the way advertising was done online had a drastic change. Now the small guy had an opportunity to compete head to head with the big guy for ad space and all determined on a CPC model. Again this was nothing new but Adsense made it a serious advertising model. Now as a blog owner we now had a better way to make money and it was not really tied to traffic it was tied to related content hence where with CJ you need serious traffic and you have to deal with CTR and CVR now you only had to deal with CTR.
 
Both of these models only asked us to place a form of advertising on our sites and that was it. Depending on how well we placed our ads and how much traffic our sites had we would make money.
 
The age of buying Page Rank under the name of advertising is born. A new business model is born and this type has nothing to do with advertising and it has all to do with Page Rank and buying yourself to the top of SERPS. Izea formerly PayPerPost and Text Link Ads is all about Page Rank and buying yourself to the top. Now think about this if you have a website that only has 200 unique readers a day and has no real keyword authority but yet you have a PR6 why would a serious advertiser pay you to place his banner on your site $100.00 you have no fucking traffic but yet they want to advertise on your site? Are you fucking that stupid to believe they are paying for advertising? In reality all they are doing is buying Page Rank under the name advertising and at the same time they are paying you money they are also sticking it to you in the ass or if this advertiser is competing for the same keyword what the fuck do you think you just did? You just helped the competition pass your ass on SERPS! Now before this business model came along we only had to give space for money now because of this model we also have to give a peace of our website for money. The sad part is that down the line the passing of page rank dilutes your personal page rank and you will keep moving down the SERPS so in reality you may make $50 dollars today but down the line you will not be valuable anymore because you have no good PR to sell.
 
Before the selling Page Rank model came about you would go to Adbrite and you could easily sell your CPM in the $10 to $20 range now because advertisers now know that bloggers are such dumb fucks and not business savvy you can go find the same websites that where making $20 CPM now they are at $5 CPM because advertisers figured why keep paying CPM when I can go buy $5,000 worth of Advertising(Page Rank) from PPP or Text Links and down the line I do not need to advertise anymore because people will find my site in position one in SERPS. So when other so called A-list bloggers are touting how wonderful Pay Per Post is in reality they are touting the lost of your SERPS and the lost of traditional CPM advertising which sometimes is sure safe money.
 
Now why has this not really being discussed. Actually it is really simple. Because bloggers may know a lot about plugins and themes but they have no business sense what so ever. As a business person I am not willing to make $100 dollars today if it means the lost of thousands down the line but this is exactly what they are doing, and the really ironic, funny and sad part when Google crack down on the paid link issue, with the help of Darren Rowse, John Chow and the rest of the so called A-list bloggers started to defend these companies like they had the best interest of bloggers in mind when in reality these companies have brought down the overall CPM advertising because now advertisers know they can get more then ad space for the same money and down the line they will not have to advertise because they will have free organic traffic for their niche.
 
Now before some dumb fuck ask yes I make pay per post on some sites I own. I use Smorty because they do not ask for the blogger to write the dump ass Disclosure which I always found so fucking hypocritical. And the way I look at it is if the site is not a top producer I might as well get an extra $200 a month from pay per post and just use BookmarkingDemon to offset the loss of PR and when Google decides to bitch slap me I will take it like a man and not bitch or complain because I knew the rules from day one.
 
I laughed and laughed when I firs saw the post for Real Rank like advertisers will really give a fuck about the useless system. The advertiser could fucking care less about your Real Rank what they want is real PR so they can move up in the SERPS. Real Rank was created for one reason only to keep fooling dumb fuck Bloggers to think this whole controversy is not about Page Rank but about Google trying to take out a competitor. If Google really felt threaten by PayPerPost(Izea) or the rest, THEY WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THEM OUT!!!! Or are you people so fucking clueless that you really think the Google is worried about these small time operations? People stop reading all the fucking bullshit from Problogger and John Chow and take some business courses. On June 2, 2007 IZEA announced raising $7,000,000 in venture capital, I ask you why would they need to raise venture capital? Because they are a small time player Google could care less about these fuckers Google makes $7,000,000 in a half day work, they cracked on them because people where buying their way to the top and I will bet one of their large accounts complained that a small timer was gaming the system to take over their ranking.
 
In you business you make decisions based on what is best in the long run. The business owner that works his business on a daily basis is destined to fail. When you read the dumb ass shit all these so called A-listers write step back and ask yourself is this beneficial to me down the line is there a way this can come back and fuck me in the ass.

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52 Comments

  1. Jimmy on 01.01.2008 at 12:19 (Reply)

    Happy New Year Vic!

    I know this question is a litle off topic but you’ve been so awesome in answering my “newbie” type questions.

    I noticed that the #1 site in Google for my niche keyword has about 145 backlinks (total!) and most are from directories.

    I know the process won’t be easy but is there a tools I can use to submit to directories so that I won’t have to submit one by one?

    I’m trying to do the same thing the #1 site in my niche is doing successfully and it seems like its from directory links and a few related theme static sites.

    1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 12:23 (Reply)

      Jimmy mmm yeah you can say you are a bit off topic so go to the forum and I will answer over their.

  2. DayJobNuker (Bruce) on 01.01.2008 at 12:53 (Reply)

    Vic,
    LOL, I have just written up a review of your site that you HAVE to like. It will be on my site tomorrow. It comes complete with a little bit of John Chow bashing of my own.

    1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 12:59 (Reply)

      LMAO Can not wait to read it. On a side note Bruce I know you are slammed with work but have you started working a new niches?

  3. Steve McGrath on 01.01.2008 at 13:01 (Reply)

    Vic, not all advertisers are about SERPs and PR
    but granted most are. When I first ordered my many ReviewMEs for one on my product, I was looking for real feedback from users. I must admit that blogging/PR/SERP was new and unknown too me then but I really wanted to put my product out there(buzz). Of course, I know more about it now.

    Btw, PPP will add a nofollow via a checkbox(?) and that should help if people want to make paid reviews. I wrote a 2 part post about paid reviews on my blog. The number of paid reviews will decline if bloggers only take those nofollow reviews.

    1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 13:05 (Reply)

      Steve but the real “advertiser” who is willing to pay the $100 is all about the PR now with placing nofollow on the links you will see Paid Post go down to the $2.00 range.

      Pure business math ROI is just not there.

      1. Steve McGrath on 01.01.2008 at 13:31 (Reply)

        I did pay $300 for 10 reviews and that’s what I got. But I do make a distinction between a post and a review. PPP should be called Pay Per Review(PPR) if they want to got that way.

        At $2, not one will make them anyway unless your really need the money. ;)

  4. Stevo on 01.01.2008 at 18:42 (Reply)

    You’re right. RealRank is crap. PPP advertisers won’t use it.

    1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 19:45 (Reply)

      No they wont I see the day of $3 dollar reviews coming real soon.

      1. Steve McGrath on 01.01.2008 at 19:50 (Reply)

        But only in countries where $3 is a lot for a blogger. North American/European won’t touch them because of the time it takes to write them. Unless they ask for a 25 word post.

        Time will tell.

        1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 19:54 (Reply)

          Steve it will be really interesting to see how the advertisers react to nofollow and you are so right time will tell.

  5. Monika@The Writers Manifesto on 01.01.2008 at 19:07 (Reply)

    What I can’t understand is how in the world did the small time bloggers loose their PR over the PPP fiasko and yet the big guys are still peddling that crap?

    Is it because they have a pact with Google or what?

    1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 19:44 (Reply)

      Monika because they all got paid. From Chow to Rowse to Yaro Starak they all got either paid or where promised to be in the top of the affiliate scheme, so they chose to fuck all there readers for money knowing full well down the line Google would take there system back.

    2. Terry Didcott on 02.01.2008 at 08:55 (Reply)

      When I first read Yaro’s blogs and saw he was making thousands a month from text-link ads and PPP he must have known back then that the bubble would burst but still he kept peddling his blogging mastermind program which was based on the whole lie.

      He never told anyone what the dangers of selling PR would be - in fact he never even touted it as selling PR, just as selling advertising. That’s what got me interested because it seemed legit. I didn’t know any better than anyone else then - I was just another dumbfuck blogger, eh Vic LMAO!!!

      Luckily I escaped relatively unscathed after making some nice money out of PPP, Smorty et al - it only cost me one PR3 blog which I think was a small sacrifice as it’s what I built it for in the first place anyway.

      Makes me laugh now when I log in to PPP and see they still have THEY’RE bloody PR5 intact! Ha!

      Bit of poetic injustice there!

      What’s even funnier reading IZEA blog and all the crap they come out with. Even a couple of advertisers went in there and told them straight, no PR no fucking ads, but did they listen? Not on your life!

      Anyway, time to get back to work, my niches await…

      1. Monika@The Writers Manifesto on 03.01.2008 at 10:20 (Reply)

        LOL Terry,

        I’m with you on that one. It was the big dudes like Yaro who convinced me that PPP and the likes were good to earn money. So I set up a website and a blog anxiously waiting to be accepted which took 3 months and then excitedly getting into it.

        Until the cards all fell. Oh well, nothing lost but a lot gained. :-)

  6. Frank C on 01.01.2008 at 19:27 (Reply)

    Vic,

    The behavior I’ve seen Google exhibit reminds me a lot of the way I saw Microsoft operating in the late 80’s and early 90’s. And, yes, it did involve screwing over small companies that they could have bought out in a heartbeat but they didn’t. I’d rather Google adopt a better business model than the one that has led Microsoft into court time after time.

    But, here’s the problem I see with paid reviews and PR passing from the advertiser’s perspective. You paid for a review and it’s on the front (PR’ed) page of a blog for a few days at most and then it goes to a PR-less back page that will probably not get ranked that highly provided it gets indexed at all. Is this what happens or does the front page PR get passed into Google even though it’s very temporary?

    It seems like in the “nofollow” world the better investment than buying a $400 big-time review would be to pay $10 or so for a series of reviews in a number of smaller blogs that were getting posts indexed and had a passable (100 or so uniques a day) amount of traffic. You would have them pepper the post with your specified keywords. Shouldn’t this give you 40 or so “landing pages” for your site/offer in search results?

    1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 19:42 (Reply)

      Frank Google owns the Page Rank system, please can you explain how this compares to the 80s -90s Microsoft where they told all there OEMs that if they installed any other Browser besides IE which in this case it was Netscape they would take away OEM status and they would have to pay full cost for the operating system please I really need you to explain how this compares.

      If a post gets spidered on the front page and the index is a PR6 it will actually pass the PR down. Now sometimes the system my takes weeks to months to do a refresh of the link to the new PR.

      The way I look at it and it goes with your $10 charge is exactly like that. That we write and give a nofollow link and this would be going back to traditional advertising and we do not have to give shit away but they would still get a better ad then just a text link or banner since that post might end up being exactly what you said a landing page and Google could not consider them that so an advertiser might end up getting hundreds of legit door way pages. That is by far the best example of what the system you mention would be. I think this would be more beneficial at the end both for the advertiser and us.

      1. Frank C on 01.01.2008 at 22:26 (Reply)

        Well Vic, from seeing Microsoft from the inside and outside over the past 20 years or so I tend to lot of parallels between the two. Maybe I’m drawing the wrong conclusions but it seems to me they’re headed down very similar paths.

        Thanks for the info. I guess the spidering may be the reason that some advertisers don’t like the magazine style themes like I use.

        1. Vic on 02.01.2008 at 09:23 (Reply)

          Frank do believe that large companies can not keep getting bigger and bigger by acquisition at a rapid pace and not come back down the line and get bit in the ass. This happen to Bank of America 6 months ago when to took advantage of the mortgage market to buy out large portfolios and their operations ended giving them a 200 million loss at the end.

          Google needs to seriously go back to basics and tend what there core is and grow more naturally then through acquisition

  7. Mike Olbinski on 01.01.2008 at 19:45 (Reply)

    7k a month in CJ commissions? Damn…

    I really can’t decide while route to go with them…the 125×125 ads do nothing for me, so I guess I need to move up to bigger ads.

    I can’t decide if I should use adsense as my 250×250 blog post ad, or just CJ, or do a mixture. And I also have a top and bottom banner on my blog posts, should THEY be CJ or not?

    I’m just at a loss…my traffic going up, but the adsense money is pretty crappy, maybe $.50 to $1.00 a day…luckily my other site does better on the forum so I an making around $20 a week, but it’s shit still.

    1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 19:53 (Reply)

      Mike take into consideration that I was having over 20k unique hits a day and over 40k page views it takes huge amount of page views to really make money from CJ remember you are dealing with CTR and CVR versus on a CPC model you only deal with CTR.

      Now if you are getting priced with Adsense but yet your traffic is not high enough to work CJ you might come out better working Adbrite CPM model. Charge 3 CPM if you have 3k a day page views you are looking at 9 dollars a day per spot make two spots and you are looking at 18 dollars a day 558 bucks a month not really good money but better then you are getting right now.

    2. Darren on 03.01.2008 at 03:42 (Reply)

      Mike - good comments.

      one of the challenges that a blog that has been around for a few years has is how to highlight it’s most helpful content.

      The thing is that when I started problogger I wrote a lot of the type of tips that you’re mentioning. But over time they tend to get buried in the archives. The problem is that to revisit them you can sometimes feel like you’re just writing the same tips over and over.

      However your comment has reminded me that many of my readers havn’t seen this more practical stuff - perhaps it’s time to revisit some of it. Thanks for the constructive critique.

      1. Darren on 03.01.2008 at 03:59 (Reply)

        sorry - that should have been left as a reply to Mike’s comment #14 below.

  8. costa on 01.01.2008 at 20:19 (Reply)

    Vic,

    I understand what you are getting at, so i won’t be asking any questions concerning this post though I have do have many, but since the main point is doing paid post is bad for blogging health, and you have advised against it, I think we should just refrain from it, period.

    It is just like a doctor telling us to practise safe sex, we just do it because he is the doctor and he knows. I mean, we don’t have to keep pressing the doctor to explain to us in detail why. LOL. but sometimes we do forget to put that cap on. Hahahaa..

    Anyway, my question is a bit out of topic. You have been touting about bookmarkingdemnon and I have just bought a copy last week, via the link you gave. I have been bookmarking my blog daily, but somehow, I have a feeling that this program has more to it than just bookmarking and I am not realising it’s full potential. Are my suspicions justified?

    The “how to” page for the program is a bit sparse and did not give much details on how to utilize this program to it’s full potential. I sure would love to know the way you use it for your blogs.

    Sorry, noobs do ask the silliest questions.

    1. Vic on 01.01.2008 at 20:22 (Reply)

      Costa no it is not a noob question BMD in the beginning is kind of tricky but after you get used to it it is second nature. This is what I will do tomorrow morning I will actually make a post about BMD and explain some things that is crucial you guys do to make sure you get anchored links.

  9. Kila Morton on 01.01.2008 at 23:10 (Reply)

    I have to say that this was one of the most informative articles about the whole page rank and Pay Per Post issue. I completely agree that people have to think about things from a business perspective if they want to be successful. A lot of people that blog fail to do that. I wrote an article about another program that went down the tubes but was heavily promoted by the top bloggers. That program was Agloco. This is just an excellent, excellent post! I hope it makes people think. Thanks Vic!

    1. Vic on 02.01.2008 at 09:25 (Reply)

      Kila one of the biggest pushers for Agloco was John Chow now the really sad part is this fucker was part of the original version of the same scheme with the same people which also failed. But he new the math was right for him to cash out at the expense of his 15k readers by the time they notice there was no money to be made he wold already have had a huge chunk since he was at the top of the pyramid.

  10. Denise on 02.01.2008 at 09:41 (Reply)

    I can not wait to read your post about BMD. Like Costa, I’m sure I am missing how to use this program for the greatest amount of return.

    Thanks ahead of time.

  11. sir jorge on 02.01.2008 at 19:02 (Reply)

    i wish I would’ve found this site sooner.

  12. affzan on 03.01.2008 at 00:09 (Reply)

    so vic, I’m with Smorty at the moment. Should I continue doing paid posts for them or should I just quit to save my PR?

    or is Google only penalizing those attached with TLA and PPP only?

    Thanks a bunch.

    1. Vic on 03.01.2008 at 13:46 (Reply)

      affzan if your blog is having good organic traffic I would not risk it. The blogs the I use Smorty are blogs that if I get bitch slapped it will not really matter. I guess the good thing with Smorty is even though they are really limited in selection and opportunities you can hide the paid post with the rest of your post so it is not that obvious that you are getting paid for links. The important thing is if you worry of loss of rank or organic traffic do not do it.

  13. Darren on 03.01.2008 at 02:12 (Reply)

    Hi Vic - just wanted to drop you a note and clarify a couple of things.

    1. I can’t remember a time that I’ve ever promoted Izea of PayPerPost. I’ve certainly never written a paid review on my blog and have on numerous occasions stated that it doesn’t fit with the way that I blog. I have talked about how I think PPP can actually be a dangerous thing - not so much from a paid links perspective - but because I think it compromises you in the eyes of your reader and can lead you to post irrelevant content on your blog. I’ve stated this numerous times on my blog since the launch of PPP.

    2. The only thing that I use of IZEA is Zookoda - a service that I was using for around a year before IZEA purchased it. Of course in the last months I’ve written 3 posts about how bad Zookoda has become recently and about how I am dropping it for another service.

    3. You say I’ve defended Izea? I’m sorry but I’ve written about them around 20 times (mainly when they were called PayPerClick) on my blog and not one of those times have I defended them and in most cases my posts contained critiques of them. I’ve knocked back advertising on ProBlogger from PayPerPost/Izea. If I’d wanted to take significant money from them to promote their message I could have - but as I don’t believe in their model I don’t promote it.

    4. TLA - now this is a bit of a different kettle of fish. I did use them heavily myself 12 or so months back. They earned me nice money and did so for many bloggers. However with the Google page rank fiasco of late I decided to stop using them and wrote in a couple of places on ProBlogger about that decision. I also updated a couple of posts on ProBlogger where I’d previously recommended them with warnings about the risk of doing so. I do continue to have affiliate links to them on my blog in a couple of places because while some bloggers have been penalized for using them - not all bloggers have and some actually choose to take the risk to use them. I think that as long as this is an educated risk then it’s not a problem.

    5. You say I tell my readers how bad google is and how great Izea and TLA are - I think I’ve covered the IZea and TLA aspects of this statement above - but when it comes to me talking about ‘how bad Google is’ I’m not really sure what you’re referring to. Over the whole page rank fiasco I did post in negative terms about Google - but that was because they’d penalized me for selling text links by lowering my page rank, when I’d not sold any text links on my blog for six months (something they fixed in a few days).

    My personal opinion of Google on this (something I’d stated numerous times on the record both on my blog and others) is that I think they have the right to rank sites however they choose. if bloggers want to play in Google’s backyard they need to know the rules and be willing to play by them (or be penalized for it). I will say that Google do need to learn to be consistent, spell the rules out loud and clear and play by them themselves (something I’m not sure they’ve always done - but that’s another story).

    So - I guess I wanted to respond to some of the things you’ve said about me.

    I don’t mind being critiqued for what I say or don’t say - but in the midst of what I think is quite a good post with some great points I’d refute pretty much everything that you wrote about me along the way. Please dig a little deeper before you rant about other people - you might actually find that they agree with you.

    1. Vic on 03.01.2008 at 02:35 (Reply)

      Darren you are just another hypocrite. You come here and answer my post because you are noticing a serious change of who is talking and people are listening.

      So you changed your position on TLA SO FUCKING WHAT????? Now that it cost people there sites ranking?

      They earned me nice money and did so for many bloggers.

      Yes it did buddy it earned you big time money let’s get real here or is it you think I forgot about the photo you took with one of the owners of TLA peddling there shit?

      Let me ask you Darren why have you not said one thing about Blogging Zoom?

      You made the dumbest fucking post about watching grass grow but yet you could not take the same time to tell your readers they had another tool just for them.

      Wait I will answer for you because you are not making one dime and you and most of the so called A-listers are self serving bitches.

      You and the rest tell enough to wet their appetite feed them dreams on how great blogging is and how if they watch grass grow, they one day will be the next great Darren Rowse FUCK YOU!

      Ohh my bad I guess you though you would come to my site and I would be just like the rest of your 36k readers that you make a fucking watch the grass grow post and say OMG Darren thank you for wasting time from my life and not really telling me how to do things to get traffic to my site. How really adsense works.

      Instead of coming here why not spend the same time explaining what the odds for a new blogger are?

      Why not tell them not to try to be you that the model does not work anymore.

      Why? Because as long as you have the reader base in the same position that they where from day one you can keep selling your shit and sell you adpace for the dollar value that it is now.

      Well Darren times have changed.

      Welcome to my world. Some else has the microphone now.

  14. Mike Olbinski on 03.01.2008 at 02:53 (Reply)

    I have to agree with Vic a bit, although I must say I’m impressed Darren at least came by to respond, while Chow wont admit the site exists.

    But I am subscribed to a few of those blogs, ProBlogger, etc., and none of them really give me solid info on how to make money.

    They tell me how to improve things, get other authors, etc., but none of it is technical KNOW-HOW on how to get your pages up on Google and therefore more traffic.

    That’s why this blog is so appealing, and Court’s as well. They tell you HOW to do things, not fluff theory pieces that people do and then sit back and see no more traffic.

    1. Vic on 03.01.2008 at 02:58 (Reply)

      Mike John Chow also came by but was a bit smarter then Darren he just made a small appealing comment and left. Go HERE

      One of the readers noticed it I did not even notice it.

      All it is is Darren sat down and actually did the math looked at the feed count and peoples reaction and he knows down the line we will be a voice.

  15. Darren on 03.01.2008 at 03:38 (Reply)

    Hi Vic

    I actually came across and answered your post because a blog I was reading this morning recommended you as a blog that was worth reading. As I say - I think you made some good points in your post and I’ll continue to read you.

    I’m more than happy to have more voices in this space and don’t really mind if there’s a change in who people are listening to in this space - I think it’ll grow the common knowledge for us all - so go for it - new voices are great.

    In terms of me changing my opinion on TLA - I’m not sure what your point is. I used their service, it worked, I recommended it to others. I didn’t see any problem with it and neither did any other blogger that I had contact with or read at the time. No one knew what was to come.

    I wrote about how I used them (my blog is a blog about making money from blogging after all). Yep - I had a picture with one of their owners - but so what? I didn’t get paid to for the picture. I even did a mini video saying that I used them - wasn’t paid for that either.

    Then Google decided they didn’t like it and that made me ponder whether it was a good decision for me to continue to use them. I changed my opinion and blogged about it. I’ve even got a link in my footer next to a link to TLA pointing to a post warning people about the risks involved with TLA. I’m not sure what else I can do?

    Blogging Zoom - I’ve seen that site a couple of times but I’ve not written on it because I in the hundreds of blogging tools that I’ve seen in the last few months it didnt stand out to me. That doesn’t mean it’s not good - just at the time that I saw it I guess it didn’t stand out. I get pitched a lot of ideas to write about and unfortunately some legitimately good ideas don’t stay on my radar for long. There are only so many things a guy can post about - but I’m more than willing to take a second look at something that people recommend to me. Feel free to drop me a note as to how it could help bloggers - hell, write me a guest post on it if you like.

    I’ve talked about hundreds of blogging tools on ProBlogger - the minority of which I’ve made a dime off. If I find a service I like and use I’ll write about it.

    My video post on Grass - I take your point and it obviously wasn’t where you were at. In fact it’s a video that a few others didn’t like either. Such is life - sometimes as a blogger we write or say stuff that doesn’t connect with everyone we write for. If the video isn’t up your alley then say your piece and find something somewhere that is. On the flip side - it did connect with others - that’s life. My blog isn’t about blog tools - it’s about improving your blogging. Part of that is giving people a little encouragement to keep at it - that’s what the aim of the video was.

    You say I wet people’s appetites and feed them dreams of becoming great - I’m sorry if it comes off that way. I attempt (whether I succeed or not I’m not sure) to keep a blend of encouragement/motivational posts with ‘how to’ posts with ‘realism’ posts. I’ve written numerous times about how much hard work is behind blogging successfully and how few bloggers actually get to a point where they can make much money blogging. Of course these are not the posts that get linked to widely despite me writing them regularly - because sometimes people just read and link to what they want to hear.

    Do I expect flattery from you when I visit your site. Not in the least bit. In fact I quite appreciate a good discussion where people choose to argue different sides of an issue. However I also try to treat others with a little dignity, respect and friendliness - not things that I’m sensing in this conversation though.

    Why don’t I tell people what the odds of making it as a blogger are you ask?

    Why don’t you dig a little deeper on ProBlogger. How about starting with some of the polls that show how the vast majority of bloggers make next to nothing from blogging, why not look for some of the ‘problogger public service announcement’ posts that talk about how long it takes and how many don’t make it?

    I’m not sure what more to say. I’d be happy to chat with you about this more but I’m not sure it’s really a conversation or dialogue that you’re after here. Feel free to drop me an email if you’d like to chat.

    I am genuinely interested in what you’ve got to say. I’m willing to promote good tools and content of others (I’m serious about the offer to write a guest post) and I’d like to interact with others who are interested in helping others improve their blogs. Lets chat?

    1. Vic on 03.01.2008 at 04:32 (Reply)

      Darren tell you what I will shoot you and email tomorrow and see if we can chat.

      1. Darren on 03.01.2008 at 05:46 (Reply)

        Sounds good - looking forward to it.

  16. Juan Chow on 03.01.2008 at 03:48 (Reply)

    Darren, you and me are in the same boat. How dare people like Vic tell others that we are feeding them lies and making money. Even though we make a lot and don’t really help people doesnt mean that we should be bashed. Vic you ae mean, let us keep making our money and selling people on products only we benefit from. Stop helping people.

  17. stan on 03.01.2008 at 04:29 (Reply)

    Nice post Vic.

    I heard theres a comment fight going on but for some reason I can’t see all the comments. I figured posting might fix the problem. Right now its 11:30 eastern and I only see 27 comments. Anyone else having a problem?

  18. Grizzly on 03.01.2008 at 05:31 (Reply)

    Thanks for the email Vic… (I still can’t send any emails or I would have responded)

    Let me say that I’m a bit disappointed. Your blog must be at least 3 weeks old and you ONLY have 638 RSS subs, a daily Alexa rank that hasn’t broken 30K yet and only 2 A-listers have dropped in to suck up to you. If you don’t get off your butt and start making a few waves I might have to go elsewhere for my entertainment.

    (Don’t fret I will continue to carry your sorry ass a bit longer but sooner or later you will have to make this work on your own.)

    I’d kiss ya but as you say that just wouldn’t be cool!

    Glad I knew you when.

    Griz

    1. Vic on 03.01.2008 at 13:55 (Reply)

      LMO Hey Grizz,

      Quick question how does the ping function on Blogger work can you add a list to ping like wordpress or are you limited?

      One of the readers was trying to do instant indexing and it did not work the only thing I could think is because his blog is not pingging I know using BloggerGenarator one of the option is if you want your blogger blog private or public.

      1. Grizzly on 03.01.2008 at 14:15 (Reply)

        They need to toggle “Yes” under Settings - Basics - Let search engines find your blog? = YES.

        That should do it - pinging is automatic after that.

        1. Grizzly on 03.01.2008 at 14:20 (Reply)

          - this pings weblogs.

        2. Thom on 03.01.2008 at 15:49 (Reply)

          Vic, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

          Grizz, did that (find=yes) when I set up the blog. I also added a post to one of my other blogs that linked to the new blog. The previously existing blog now shows up in results (number 1 btw), but not the new one. Does it just take time?

          the new one is canbearspicktherenose.blogspot.com keyword phrase “can bears pick there nose”

          All help (and great blog) appreciated!

          -Thom

          1. Grizzly on 03.01.2008 at 17:37 (Reply) (Comments won't nest below this level)

            Hi Thom,

            There are a few problems but the good news is that the adsense bot has crawled you correctly and given you relevant ads (such as they are. lol)

            Possible problems;

            Because your other site used the term your new site won’t qualify for fast indexing - Google didn’t need it as it has a relevant result for the query elsewhere (your other site). Did you link to it before or after you tried the quick index trick?

            Either way you have a few bigger problems - you made 3 posts in less than an hour all with the same keyword phrases. This is bad on it’s own (for a new site) but your keyword density is way too high and you are definitely in keyword stuffing territory - not good.

            Your biggest problem is that you have outbound links on the page - never do this with a new blog until you are indexed. This will send up spam flags instantly - this used to be how people abused blogger as a link farm. On top of all this I ran a check on your links and the sites you linked too have questionable links of their own - 4 links point to drug/pharmacy sites in their anchor text. Huge spam problem with this - guilt by association from Google’s point of view. The solution is to remove all your outbound links.

            Lastly - while your adsense is working you should never monetize a site until after you get indexed. Take the adsense off for now.

            I assume this was just a test to try out the quick index trick. If you intend to use this as a real site then make the changes I suggested but you may be in for a bit of a wait to get indexed now. I would delete the blog all together and start over though - because you made a few too many errors salvaging this blog will be an uphill battle that really isn’t worth the work.

            Sorry for the bad news but try it again with a different term. 1 post only and keep your keywords to a minimum. Title, header, couple of times in the post - that’s all you need.

            Good luck.

          2. Thom on 03.01.2008 at 18:56 (Reply) (Comments won't nest below this level)

            Grizz,

            Thanks for the analysis. This is exactly the kinda thing(s) I neeeded to know / hear. And as fond as I am of the name :D I think it would be better to find a new one and try again.

            BTW, I did add the post on jtrigsby AFTER the posts on bear nose, just FYI.

            thanks again

            thom

  19. Davinder on 06.01.2008 at 04:59 (Reply)

    YOU HAVE REALLY COOL WAY OF WRITING STUFF… good points you brought up regarding A list blogger crowd.

    No srry for the caps, U DESERVE IT.

    Keep rocking man!!!

  20. Mike Pedersen on 07.01.2008 at 01:17 (Reply)

    Man Vic I hope you’re okay. I need a Blogger Unleashed fix dude! I’m so used to checking my google reader and seeing some great stuff. Hope you start feeling better bro!

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  23. Vic on 16.01.2008 at 03:40 (Reply)

    Would like to be clear and will make a complete post but me and Darren are all cleared up and we are more then Peace.

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